pr checker on google toolbar and websites.

          google toolbars shows pr2 for my site and other(websites which checks pr) show pr3 for my site. I am confused. how they do it. WHich one is true pr.

Every data center of Google has different values for pagerank (in some cases)

To see what's the real you should use a tool like this :

http://www.seochat.com/?option=com_seotools&tool=9

or this google module:

yeah nicolas i belive in that kind of pr checker. But my fren have a google toolbar with in the internet explorer and that shows the pr of the site which is open in the browser. that shows 2 for my site.

yes that's possible because the google toolbar checks only again 1 server information (Nick correct me if I'm wrong) while the suggested scripts are check against the information on all google servers.

Actually there is a seperate datacenter for the toolbar queries, and each other datacenter (the search datacenters) has it's own pagerank database.

In any way the most innacurate of all these is the toolbar.

yes, I know (you remember our first contact Nick, hehe)

so guys to which should i trust?
 

thats up to you :D
but trust only one!

anyway, pagerank doesnt really matter anymore these days.

I don't agree with this, a website with a high pagerank is very much attractive for link trades for example.

And you say that a site with a low pagerank will listed high inside the google results (like a site with a higher PR)?

That happens very often. Because pagerank is a number that describes all of your links, but SERPs have pages with relevant content.

Maybe I need to know what exactly is a SERP (in relation with your prev. comment)

SERP = Search engine result page

Let me give you an example of what I mean :

Let's say that your site is about php. You have x incoming links to this site from php related sites and z incoming links from sites that are related to affiliate programs.

On the search term about php google will not count the z links to its algorith, as those sites are totally inrelevant.

OK I understand, that will say that first results are related sites with realated links followed by related sites with a higher PR and less related links?

Yeah something like that.

If you check the SERPs there are many times that sites with no pr at all are in front of sites with high pr....

hm.. not in this case: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=php+scripts&btnG=Google+Search

this is similar:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=trampolines&btnG=Search

But I noticed that there are a lot of results from amazon and ebay :-(

That's not out of this rule.

I mean there are sites that have high pr but all of their links are coming from relevant sites.

This example fits with resourceindex (my favourite), hotscripts, etc.

"OK I understand, that will say that first results are related sites with realated links followed by related sites with a higher PR and less related links?"

there are two ways to optimize a site for the SERPs, in-page optimization and off-page optimization. with my experience, yahoo and msn gives more weight to in-page optimization while google, off-page. but even thou in-bound links matter to them, they have link-aging where even if you buy plenty of one-way incoming links, it will not land your site in page 1 of their search results immediately...

Yeah that's very true.

If you search "sublime directory" in Yahoo and MSN, topsites is in the first page. That's a good example of in page optimization. Google doesn't list the site at all for this term (hope it will, after I finish my optimization...)

I have also noticed that msn and yahoo gives weight on anchor of links, while Google is givving more weight to the content of the page that links to a site.

google takes a little longer. but it will in time...

you say that "older" inbound links are better for my results  in google?

"you say that "older" inbound links are better for my results  in google?"

yes. since Google caught up with the link exchange between webmasters to instantly boost their site's PR and land in the page 1 of their search results, they come up with link aging.

this should be the reason why website template shops are hard to promote to the top of a result...

That's why the 3 way link exchanges are the best for link popullarity ;)

... why? please explain

is this 3 way link exchange like a webring?

yes a very little one :D

Because a 3 way link exchange can't be caught by spiders.

If site A links to site B and site B links to site A then it is obvious that those two sites are exchanging links.

But if site A links to site B and site B links to site C (which is owned by the owner of the A site) then it looks like normal :)

?
Is a related link exchange not OK (for google)?

It is ok, but reciprocal linking is not.

is this not the same?

No it is not.

reciprocal linking = Site A links to site B, site B links to site A

3 way linking = Site A links to site B, site B links to site C

my question was about a regulare link exchange and reciprocal linking (not 3way linking)

Yes regular link exchange = reciprocal linking (we talk about the same thing....)

and this is not usefull to get better rankings in Google?

No it is not. As I said before in this thread, 3 way linking is the way to go.

I understand that 3 way linking is the best way, but I can't believe that all linktrading programs are useless.
What's wrong if two development related websites trade a link with each other?

Google get links as "votes". It is obvious that a link exchange is not voting but just some kind of cooperation.

Those links are not counted in the link popularity.

Reciprocal link trading is good but only for traffic or SEO besides google.

Sorry, but I can't believe that, I have a button above the link to webdigity on my PR 5 link page
to this site: http://www.webdev.cygad.net/

on this page is a link to my site. If I use this inbound link information for my site, this site is at the top of the list: http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Ahttp%3A//www.finalwebsites.com/

The link: query shows it, but the SERPs are not counting those links or at least they don't give the weight that one way links have.

yes of course one way links are the best...

But it seems to me very difficult to maintain all the 3way links and in several cases there are not enough related websites...

but you told me about that maybe yahoo and MSN will join and then these links are perhaps worth enough.

On the othersite it's better to ignore regulare link exchanges  ???

I agree with that. I do only 3 way link exchanges and the results are fine.

that will say if I want to promote my template site I need 3 way links where the link to the 3rd party resource is on my finalwebsites.com (PR4-5) link page...

Right.

as a consolation, an internet marketing expert made an in-depth study about conversions from traffic generated by the top three search engines. the traffic that convert well didnt come from Google search results pages.

finalwebsites.com gets 50% traffic via google...

hey olaf, youre here! good morning man. its just 6 am here in Phils. im a fanatic huh?

yes, Google gives you more traffic because it is very popular. what i meant by conversions back there is in terms of sales and ad clicks... sorry for the unclear post.