seo for yahoo/msn?

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Hello,

it's very strange, If I start with a new site the first visitors I get are from yahoo/msn and later from google.

And my own site (already 2 years old) has top positions in Google and bad position in the serp's of msn/yahoo.
example: "php upload"

In google top10 of millions of serps
and in yahoo not within the first 100

Is there some special SEO optimization I can do? do you know some good articles? the only one I found was at seochat and this one is from 2004.

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Both MSN and yahoo are rapidly changing their algorithms (to catch up google) so it doesn't have any meaning to search for articles.

In my experience both of these engines give weight to the inpage seo (tags, keyword density) and they use as 'link keywords' the anchor text of the links and not so much the content of the page that links to you. So if a page talks about php and has a link with anchor "Baby toys" msn and yahoo will grab this link as "baby toys" related, not as php, or as inrelevant (as google will do)

Hope those tips can help you

BTW if the sites you are optimizing sell something, try to boost them to msn. The results are great.

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Nick,

I'm not sure that this is the problem, finalwebsites.com is optimized very well almost 50 % of my daily visits comming via Google (~ 800 a day).
All my inbound link are from related website/directories. All other sites are optimized the same whay and they show up quickly in MSN...

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That's a common thing. I don't know someone that has more traffic from both msn and yahoo than google

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That's a common thing. I don't know someone that has more traffic from both msn and yahoo than google

that's why I ask, I have ~ 50 visits a month from each...

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That's a common thing. I don't know someone that has more traffic from both msn and yahoo than google

that's why I ask, I have ~ 50 visits a month from each...

That could be better, but not really much....

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That could be better, but not really much....

yes right, sometimes it's 100 a month

I've been noticing with quite a few of my pages when they are first added they are crawled by msn then google then yahoo.

The pages tend to sink in msn almost proportionately to their rise in google.

Yahoo - haven't got a clue what they are doing. Tell me they have only one page for my site, yet pick the right search terms and the other pages appear.

When the site was brand new virtually all SE traffic was from MSN. Now mostly G. With MSN and Yahoo way behind.

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what about using a RSS feed as sitemap for yahoo?

I have my whole site inside a rss feed:
http://www.finalwebsites.com/rss_sitemap_en.php

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what about using a RSS feed as sitemap for yahoo?

I have my whole site inside a rss feed:
http://www.finalwebsites.com/rss_sitemap_en.php

RSS feeds help, but having your whole site in a feed doesn't make a difference.

It is better to have one feed per category.

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what about using a RSS feed as sitemap for yahoo?

I have my whole site inside a rss feed:
http://www.finalwebsites.com/rss_sitemap_en.php

its olny the english part of my website (don't mix dutch and english languages in one feed)
but why do I need several feeds, its small one (less then 100 items)

RSS feeds help, but having your whole site in a feed doesn't make a difference.

It is better to have one feed per category.

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its olny the english part of my website (don't mix dutch and english languages in one feed)
but why do I need several feeds, its small one (less then 100 items)

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Well feeds should have fresh content as they suppose to have news on them.

On any way the more feeds you have, the better the result is.

I saied to have one feed for each category, because this way you will help the search engine to understand and categorize your content better.

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Well feeds should have fresh content as they suppose to have news on them.

On any way the more feeds you have, the better the result is.

I saied to have one feed for each category, because this way you will help the search engine to understand and categorize your content better.

Just in case I have a page with 5 categories, its better to have 5 feed in place of one with information about all categories in one list?

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Yeah it is better. As a developer it is easier to understand the way a search engine works.

Their bigger problem is  to assign keywords to the content. When you have one feed for each category (even if that feed has only 3 items) makes the SE understand that the unique content in the feed (actually the feed's description) is associated with the content of those pages.

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Yeah it is better. As a developer it is easier to understand the way a search engine works.

Their bigger problem is  to assign keywords to the content. When you have one feed for each category (even if that feed has only 3 items) makes the SE understand that the unique content in the feed (actually the feed's description) is associated with the content of those pages.

OK, but this is not a problem, I do this for all my (dynamic) websites.

Thank you (now it is clear that In need more file creation cron jobs)

By the way the old article about yahoo seo was also about frequently fresh content:
http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Yahoo-Optimization-Help/An-Insiders-Secret-To-Seriously-High-Rankings-With-Yahoo/

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Adding new content to your site frequently is a must for every search engine

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Adding new content to your site frequently is a must for every search engine

yes but the article is about fresh content every day...

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Just read another article about Yahoo SEO:

http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Yahoo-Optimization-Help/Search-Engines-and-Algorithms-Optimizing-for-Yahoo-Search-and-AltaVista/

this time there is more information about optimisation methods (use headers, keywords, anchor text etc.)

I noticed that takes much more time in Yahoo to get listed inside the serp's (the search string "google modules" works since several weeks at google for this URL http://www.finalwebsites.com/google_modules.php )

further it looks like that other language website are less indexed then english language websites...

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