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« on: May 05, 2007, 10:37:18 AM »

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i'm new to search engine optimatization and have some question regarding the use of keywords.

for example, if I have a website about "electronics devices",
will there be a difference if i use the words "electronics devices" as a keyword and when I use them as separate keywords as "electronics", "devices"? Which is better?

If I use "electronics devices" as a keyword, and when a user creates a search for "electronics", will my site still  come up in the results?

and another thing, is there a significance in using the single/plural form of the keyword? What's the difference if I use "device" instead of "devices"?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2007, 01:00:03 PM »

Phrases are always better, because people are searching for phrases (at most) and because crawlers search for phrases in your content too. Google is also "detecting" relevant content, so if your content is about HDTV it may rank for "hi tech television"

Regarding the plural I am not really sure, never got what is the difference.

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2007, 01:10:18 PM »

I recognized that plurals have less searches but are easier to get top listings


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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 02:12:26 AM »

I'm only guessing based on how I see it usually in print and how it's spoken, but I would think "electronic devices" would be the best bet. I think most people use the plural word "electronics" alone.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 04:36:30 AM »

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will there be a difference if i use the words "electronics devices" as a keyword and when I use them as separate keywords as "electronics", "devices"? Which is better?

what i would do is i will optimize separate pages for those three you mentioned.


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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 09:23:19 AM »

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what do you mean that you will optimize separate pages for those keywords?
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 09:50:57 AM »

Regarding the plural I am not really sure, never got what is the difference.
Google will rank direct plurals for two words so "friend" is one keyword "friends" is two (friend, friends)
Bench, benches again two.

Obviously some plurals don't work as they don't contain the non plural word mouse, mice for example.

This double word can be a blessing and a curse therapist is both a professional or the rapist, this was the famous example because of therapist.com which had some Google issues Wink of course if your a therapist specialising in coming to terms with rape this sort of double word problem really helps.

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 09:55:43 AM »

So Tim your opinion is to use non plurals for keywords?

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2007, 09:58:13 AM »

for keyword declaration (meta tags etc) I would use the plural where its appropriate obviously in content you use which ever is appropriate.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2007, 10:57:45 AM »

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what do you mean that you will optimize separate pages for those keywords?

make pages for each mentioning those three words as the topic so when a surfer types "electronics devices", "electronics" and "devices", they will show up in the results like a doorway to your homepage.


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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2007, 10:04:23 AM »

It makes no difference whether its singular or plural, what is important is phrases of main keywords.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2007, 10:16:47 AM »

It makes no difference whether its singular or plural, what is important is phrases of main keywords.
thats not true, in some languages you have to decide which one you need to use, at the end you need to use the keywords which are used by your visitors. In my case I doubled the organic traffic for the word trampoline while stop using the plural in my page title


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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2007, 10:26:07 AM »

It makes no difference whether its singular or plural, what is important is phrases of main keywords.
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2007, 02:19:06 PM »

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will there be a difference if i use the words "electronics devices" as a keyword and when I use them as separate keywords as "electronics", "devices"? Which is better?

what i would do is i will optimize separate pages for those three you mentioned.

Yes, that's definitely makes sense. try to have a diiferent article for each key phrase.

Also, phrases are really better than words. And it is not only that people search for phrases but that it is easier to get to the search first pages (is it easy to optimise for 'marketing' or 'affiliate marketing' or 'e-book affiliate marketing'?) Optimizing for specific keyword phrase is more effective.

As for pl/sg... I think you should just write an article and use both variants, trying to sound natural.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 13, 2008, 05:08:34 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: Aug 14, 2008, 04:32:18 AM »

Soimetimes plurals do matter. For sales plan I rank in the 70's and climbing but for sales plans i am still in the 200's.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 14, 2008, 10:07:42 AM »

I think the term electronic devices is very general and you will need to compete with many websites for it you have to choose other keywords that are relevant and 3 words keywords which are more specific and gets you more targeted visitors
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 15, 2008, 03:19:07 AM »

I always choose to optimize keywords as appropriate - that is gramatically correct.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 14, 2008, 01:24:55 AM »

hi everyone.
i'm new to search engine optimatization and have some question regarding the use of keywords.

for example, if I have a website about "electronics devices",
will there be a difference if i use the words "electronics devices" as a keyword and when I use them as separate keywords as "electronics", "devices"? Which is better?

The best keyword would be the one that you have the greatest opportunity to rank high by using. You will find these generic terms extremely difficult to rank high with. However, if you added a very specific keyword that describes a specific product you will do much better.

SEO is a numbers game. Go where the numbers are in your favor.

If I use "electronics devices" as a keyword, and when a user creates a search for "electronics", will my site still  come up in the results?

and another thing, is there a significance in using the single/plural form of the keyword? What's the difference if I use "device" instead of "devices"?
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 23, 2008, 02:55:54 AM »

use a keywords that used by most searchers. Or you may need to use google external tool
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