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« on: Dec 14, 2007, 04:51:32 AM »
Hi Folks,

This seems to be a good place to ask a question that is bothering me a long time now.

"Are Meta Tags really Dead ?"

I have my very own opinion on this but i don't wanna to spoil the party.
How ab out a poll on this matter here? I would love to hear all of your opinions about this.

Travelling through the matrix, you can find all kinds of answers, a broadband controversy.
But all seems to go in the direction "Out".... or not?

So, good people enlighten me.
I hope that i've started a record breaking threat here and that i get many answers. :-)
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 14, 2007, 07:35:32 AM »
no of course not this is still important for every site:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />

but I think you mean the meta element with name "keywords" Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 14, 2007, 07:49:30 AM »
I refer to meta tags in general. And the title tag that has gotten lost on this very website in particular.
- Lost because it is the most important of all meta tags and therefore has earned it's place right behind the <head>
On the roots of the hair so to speak :-) tatoo-wise...

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 14, 2007, 09:17:34 AM »
yeah the title element is on of the most important elements for SEO, people should use it wisely

the keywords are not used by google as you can read here:
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 14, 2007, 10:05:39 AM »
That starts to go in the right direction here.
Now what you're saying is that keywords are not accounted for at Google, where i fully agree with you and the article you provided the link to.

To get to the bottom of this we should start by asking 'Why does Google ignore the meta tags?' The answer is simple. they've spent probably a billion dollars on registering search patents and roboting methods which now can be used by Google only. They don't need meta tags anymore.

Now think about this: Google accounts for 48% of all internet searches - that leaves 52%! to the rest from whom most of them still widely relay on meta tags. Why ignore the requirements of the bigger piece of the market?

First we stop adding and developing meta tags just because Google told us so and than we complain that other search engines don't deliver accurat results? That's playing straight into Googles hands. Highlander - there can be only one! :-)
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 14, 2007, 10:15:33 AM »
I add them (almost) always, because I'm sure they help. Tagging is something that's used in the web 2.0 world, If you have those keywords in your site you can use them very easy for other purposes (think about wordpress blogs)
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 14, 2007, 02:04:04 PM »
As far as my experience goes

meta keywords and description are used only by some search engines
and google has actually said it will output the "description" or the DMOZ description
if can't find a relevant snippet from within the page

so those META are not completelly dead

the rest of them defintelly have a use as Olaf mentioned an example already
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 14, 2007, 02:18:21 PM »
I was very surprised that Google has told me that even the "lang" attribute is not used by google...
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 14, 2007, 02:38:39 PM »
As i mentioned before, Google doesn't need much more information than they gather already. Five years from now they know everybody's shoe size just by looking up the name and address. :-) Hey i can hear George Orwell rumbling in his grave. lol
Did anybody hear any statement from e.g. MSN or Yahoo about this?
They don't seem to encourage webmasters to neither use or let die of meta tags.

Anyway i'm certain they don't hurt
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 14, 2007, 02:41:06 PM »
I thought that MSN is using the the meta tags
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 14, 2007, 04:01:07 PM »
Quote from: Olaf on Dec 14, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
I was very surprised that Google has told me that even the "lang" attribute is not used by google...

I did not see it in the link you provided

"If you decide to use this meta tag,"
this could actually mean that if you page is in English there is no need to include it
or
our crawlers are smart enough to recognize the language from the content


But I see what samiotis is saying
but the best of all gathering tools is really GMAIL
they have everyones info + ALL their conversations
personal and professional

Pretty scary, I am trying to move away from GMAIL but I can't (addicted)

but even if I did once I communicate with someone with @gmail then
they have my conversation as well
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 14, 2007, 05:50:59 PM »
Giorgos, I asked the author about the lang attribute...
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 20, 2007, 09:01:29 PM »
Regarding the meta & google thing, Google is still using the meta description. They don't use it for ranking, but for the listing of your page in the SERPs. So with a good description you can get a better CTR from the SERPs. The same goes for the title too as it is used as the anchor text in google's SERPs.

In general using meta tags is not bad as meta data can be used by various crawlers.
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