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« Reply #3 on: Nov 13, 2006, 07:46:23 AM »
yes, your site might not land in the first few pages for some keywords, but you can also get lucky for some. especially if you have good incoming links to your inside pages and not just to your homepage.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 14, 2006, 01:01:06 PM »
Sites are banned for adopting unethical means to get high rankings in SERPs. Sites do not get banned for showing duplicate content. Duplicate content gets filtered out in SERPs ( though SEs have not been very accurate with this) IMO.
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Sites are banned for adopting unethical means to get high rankings in SERPs. Sites do not get banned for showing duplicate content. Duplicate content gets filtered out in SERPs ( though SEs have not been very accurate with this) IMO.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 07, 2006, 02:06:34 PM »
While I also agree duplicate content will not result in a banning it does have some nasty negative effects, we have had more then one client arrive at our door after some helpful seo company had helped them!
Duplicate content seems to result in the page and one or two directly linked pages suffer from failure to appear in SERPs but also the site seems to be given an overall penalty as well, interestingly the more sites that have said duplicate content the less the overall penalty is, not sure why this is but it is noticeable difference.
These penalties seem to last as well, so using duplicate content may in fact be even worse in the long run the getting banned. When you get banned from Google or a another search engine its a wake up call for you to sort your house out and reapply, multiple penalties on your primary keywords can lead to a lingering death, as your site may still be getting hits but hits generated by non targeted users.
If you are paying for content it is really important to check it is unique and have a mechanism in place with the seller for when it appears elsewhere. [update]thought I would append that in this web pro new video Vanessa Fox (Google webmaster team) talks about duplicate content not receiving a penalty but only when its duplicate content on your own site she neatly avoids the issue of penalties for duplicate content on multiple domains.
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just on the safe side, you can rewrite it a little bit, replacing words with the same meaning, like "dog" into "canine"...
From the interview with Vanessa Fox she used an example of a site with local news say about Cambridgeshire which splits the news into the local towns, but if the town doesn't have any news it will just have a different Title and the words of the town would be different now this is an example of on site duplicate content.
So the short answer is probably no just finding and replacing 1 word would not be enough think of it more like a plagiarism checker did you ever try to copy off some one at school and yet your teacher mysteriously knew you had done it?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 08, 2006, 11:37:08 AM »
Lol, you are right.
After all a duplicate page, can't be 100% duplicate in any way. As the duplicate content page will also have some extra things that each site has (eg. menu, user comments, etc) the duplicate content algorithm is obviously searching for a percentage of duplicate content.
Of course there are many cases that the duplicate content filters can't really work.
For example web2announcer.com gets a lot of traffic from google even that the whole of its content is duplicate, but it would be impossible to "marked" as duplicate as all the content is mixed.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 08, 2006, 12:59:31 PM »
One of the problems we have on our blog is several caring individuals scrape large portions of our posts and then link back to us this is relatively easy for Google to guess who has the genuine content but it still feels wrong, oddly one site scrapes the content then places errors within the text, I'm almost convinced they are passing it through a translator and then back again into English why any one would do this is beyond me, one can only suppose it is some one with poor English but loves posts on Drupal and wants to share them.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 11, 2006, 07:46:28 AM »
actually olaf i do, but not manually of course. i use a software for that. but the essence of the content remains.
and just to be clear, i dont copy someone else's content but i obtain private label articles and since anyone else can get their hands on it too, i have to modify it a little bit so it will appear different in wordings.
actually olaf i do, but not manually of course. i use a software for that. but the essence of the content remains.
and just to be clear, i dont copy someone else's content but i obtain private label articles and since anyone else can get their hands on it too, i have to modify it a little bit so it will appear different in wordings.
Do you have any measured results from this operation? For example what is the search engine traffic you have for those articles?
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 11, 2006, 11:12:24 AM »
oh im getting traffic from the search engines, mainly google.
but its certainly does NOT only involve hosting articles and linking to it and the search engines will readily pick it up and show it in their search results. almost everyone is doing it already and the search engines certainly know about it and already have a filter for it. they will still index you but will place you way behind in their results.
and to get traffic from the search engines, you have to land in at least the first few pages...
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 13, 2006, 12:52:59 AM »
oops didn't mean to imply anybody here used scrapping tactics just referring to a problem we have on our blog! Speaking from experience we find that people will search anything up to 14 pages deep for specific information, hence we find keyword searches for the oddest pairings in several of our sites where we certainly don't rank even in the first 10 SERPs, just a thought for those uncertain about the possibility of duplicate content, have an editor write a short summary or intro to the article with a link to the complete article, the duplicate content may not rank high but these summaries might well rank a little better.
I've never used duplicate content. I'm someone who believes that Unique and quality content is the best SEO technique you can ever find.
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OK this can work but for how long?
I think at the moment we talk about that problem the people from Live! are busy with solving this problem...
BTW I stand not still if the 100 visitors coming from MSN can't find my results anymore (for each MSN user are coming several hundred google users to my site)
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 13, 2006, 10:54:17 AM »
Live search has very odd algorithms indeed and is very easy to manipulate, but not sure about the article you posted vbignacio I certainly can see articles that I know there is scrapped versions of knocking around on live search results, plus msn I believe still just applies a penalty like Google rather then out right banning, just because your site doesn't appear in the first few SERPs doesn't mean its not there.
I've never used duplicate content. I'm someone who believes that Unique and quality content is the best SEO technique you can ever find.
So you say that the way to get a better rank to MSN, is to digg your competitors? I think this is pathetic - at least - and as it wont work the same way with the other search engines, you will actually promote your competitors...
In any way this is a bug so I guess it wont work for a long time. Plus most search engines don't regular index pages that are not linked from the same site.